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WHSmith is a Porn Fest

Posted by charliegrrl on August 1, 2006

WHSmith sell ‘adult porn’, as in fully nude porn, and The Daily Sport, in train stations and airports.

WHSmith is a Porn Fest

Why is this..?
Are men so impatient that whilst waiting for a train, they need to go jack off in the toilets to pass the time..? Maybe that’s why they always go to the toilet on their own…

Photo Leeds Train Station 22.06.06

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53 Responses to “WHSmith is a Porn Fest”

  1. Yeah WH Smith have noted that the average Brit male train-commuter can’t be content with just a chicken sarnie and a few sports pages to keep him entertained enroute, he needs to try out a wank on a Great Western in order to fulfil his commute!

    Pathetic.

  2. Laura said

    Nice effective “covers” for the porn there. Not.

  3. Anonymous said

    I think the covers on the top shelf mags are just typical of WH Smith. They really do not seem interested and completely disregard the NFRN guidelines.

  4. Anonymous said

    Somebody I study with saw me reading this page and said, “We need something to look at IN CASE WE END UP SAT NEXT TO ONE OF YOU LOT.”

    This, on a media studies course at a good university. I will be reporting this to our tutor. It really beggars belief sometimes.

  5. Anonymous said

    I think the real reason they do it is because people are reluctant to buy the stuff in places where they live and may be spotted. That is not a problem in train stations.

  6. Errr just what I DON’T want to be sat next to one the train! Playboy mag plus Daily Squirt “sex Machine” down load on the geezer’s phone…they are seriously taking the piss! Mag-Phone-mag-phone-porn-porn and he’s only going to fucking work!

  7. Stormcloud said

    Spot on title, Charliegrrl !
    And as Laura said, “nice *modesty* covers” NOT !

    We really have to wonder about WHSmith. Or perhaps not, coz I reckon the WH stands for Woman Hating. Not only are WHS not content with retailing porn, they distribute it, AND brainwash teens and pre-teens into buying into porn culture (i.e. the bunny logo). Sick bastards.

    Nope, I ain’t never gunna spend even 1p in their porn-emporiums.

    On a final note, one really has to wonder about the suitability of men to rule the world, when they seem to NEED to spend so much time with one hand in the penile region. How’s about letting the half of the population with the lesser masturbatory focus run the world instead, eh?

  8. witchy-woo said

    “Are men so impatient that whilst waiting for a train, they need to go jack off in the toilets to pass the time..?”

    I think they just need to keep continually reminding themselves that their sexuality is King – specially when they’re surrounded by ‘sex’ they don’t ‘own’.

    Jeebus. What’s happening to our world?

  9. CopyPasta said

    So… if men looking at naked women neccesitates feelings of superiority, domination, hatred and mysoginy towards women…

    What about gay men who look at naked men, hmm?

  10. The sexual objectification of women extends from porn into mainstream culture and exists within a context of widespread rape of women; the sexual objectification of men for male titillation/domination is not omnipresent in mainstream culture.

    Men looking at naked women doesn’t necessitate misogyny or domination- it is men finding pleasure in sexually denigrating images of women within the context of sexual objectification of women and sexual violence against women, that is misogynist.

  11. CopyPasta said

    You portray all porn, including the incredibly softcore magazine porn, to be “denigrating” to women and thus misogynist. The Maxims (non-nude) and Playboys (nude; little if any actual “sex”)that you complain heartily about are on the low, low, low end of the spectrum as far as degrading women, and yet still you wax lyrical of their inherent misogynism.

    And yet you say that men looking at naked women doesn’t necessitate misogynism. Interesting.

    But heaven forbid that naked women are just another form of entertainment for guys. Do take into account that many men watch hours of all manner of sports, with hulking brutes of men bashing and beating each other into submission, or chasing balls and pucks like racedogs pursuing the clay rabbit.

    Many more play video games in which the (almost always male) characters are likely to be slashed, bludgeoned, disentegrated, immolated, etc.

    The movie industry, apart from the male-on-male violence indicated above, builds the action movie appeal off of men (openly or subconsciously) admiring the physical abilities and physiques of the unrealisticly proportioned stars of questionable intellect. Sound familiar?

    But why do you not cry against these blasphemies? Why is gawking at Ahnold’s muscles acceptable but gawking at Jameson’s body a crime against nature? Why can male video game sprites blow each other’s heads off all they want, but when female combatants jump in the fray everyone’s a titter about violence against women? Why can we watch half naked men punching each other into unconsciousness but complain about the ring girl holding up signs in between rounds?

    Disregard the obvious ironic double-standards at play here. The problem you, and all militant feminists, seem to have is that you assume differentation equals discrimination. Men look at and pay for varying degrees of disrepectful content involving both sexes (and occasionally some odd medians between the two), but once women are involved it’s clearly a case of typical savage male sexism at hand. Perhaps, just maybe, these men are happy to find ways to assert dominance over *everybody*, regardless of the sex. Or, even crazier, maybe men just like looking at nekid wimminz because sexual attraction towards the opposite sex is the primary force behind all men from puberty on up(Nah, couldn’t be). Remember that after we ejaculate, we aren’t anywhere near as important as the mother will be, who has to carry, birth, and (typically moreso then men) raise the children. That’s why women live longer: grandpa’s just aren’t as important in the family structure as grandma’s. Biologically and evolutionarily speaking, ejaculating is the peak of our importantace, for God’s sake let us at least enjoy it a bit.

    Feminists for years fought for equality and yet now you demand special treatment. Nevermind Ron Jeremy, it’s Jenna Jameson who’s being victimized and disrespected.

  12. Soft porn still portrays women as sex objects for male titillation. The message is still the same, even if she isn’t involved in an explicit act of sex, or showing her vagina.

    People admiring the naked beauty of a woman is not inherently misogynist.

    Men ‘looking at pictures of naked women’ is different from men ogling and masturbating over images of women as sex toys for men.

    When men watch sport for entertainment, the majority are not thinking of the male players as a body they would like to fuck. This is the difference between women being used as entertainment and sport as entertainment.

    The male love for machismo and violence is a regrettable component of alpha masculinity within a patriarchal context. I don’t like violence between any gender. I am not focusing on the negative messages and images patriarchy gives to men, nor with gay male porn, because I’m more concerned about women.

    When a woman or man gawps at Arnie’s muscles, this is not within a context of sexual inequality, intimidation and violence, which is the case when men stare at women’s breasts.

    People complain about violence against women because it is rife. There is alot of violence between men, and there is also rape between men, which is bad.

    If you want to campaign against sexist images of men and male violence in the media, then go ahead. It’s about time men challenged patriarchy

  13. CopyPasta said

    Sex toys, huh? Once sex is involved women are instantly sex toys? How do you know this? Are you a man? I have an inkling that you’re not, so I am curious as to what your sources are.

    I, on the other hand, can speak from experience. When I, and, to the best of my knowledge, all other guys I know, masturbate to attractive women, it is because they are just that: attractive women. You’re the one marking these women as “sex toys,” not us. A toy is lifeless, soulless and fake. Barring necrophiliacs, no man would polish his carrot to that. Men want to see life in women. Movement, noises, words. Hardly a sex toy.

    Men want to see women enjoying themselves. Porn in which a woman just lies there looking sullen will not appeal to very many men. Fake as it may be (Make believe? On MY television? Do tell!), hearing and watching a woman moan in pleasure as she reaches orgasm is half the appeal. The women act as if they want us to pleasure them, and the feeling of being wanted and appreciated for making a woman happy is one of the key parts of our arousal. But what do I know? I only have a simple male brain.

    You’re right, though. Sports stars are not viewed as bodies we wanna fuck. Good job there.

    Actually, sports stars are treated more like animals; like cocks (lawl, puns) pitted against eachother for wagers and bets. There is a difference, like you said. On one hand is a body we want to touch feel and please. On the other are some guys we wanna see struggling and fighting and suffering. Dear god, those evil men and their porn.

    When we gawk at Arnold’s muscles, do you really think we’re appreciating his character and intellectual capicity (us non-California voters, that is)? These types of gawking may be different, but they’re on about the same level with each other in regards to respect.

    But what do I know? I can only speak from experience, as opposed to your… oh, wait.

  14. I know what I am talking about, I read lads mags every week as part of my research.

    Sex toy = fragmented female body, into breasts, ass and holes posing specifically for male titillation and arousal, in poses that pander to male dominance.

    Such images are the ‘bread and butter’ of lads mags.

  15. CopyPasta said

    Hey! I read Popular Science every month, I guess that makes me an engineer! Badass!

    Breasts, asses and holes may be big points of interest, but they are only part of the larger picture. You’d be hard pressed to find a man that would rather fap to disembodied breasts than to entire women.

    Again, pandering to the dominance of the reader has nothing to do with some conspiracy against women. Pandering to the dominance of the reader sells more copies.

  16. Anonymous said

    Yeah, because you see ‘ass and holes’ (am I alone in finding that phrase slightly arousing?) in lads’ mags all the time.

    You’re very clever, Charlie. But you’re not very intelligent.

  17. Stormcloud said

    Copypasta: You are a TROLL.

    I am surprised that Charliegrrl has indulged you for as long as she has. She has been most polite, even though you spew out the same old tired patriarchical rubbish. (Nope, you are NOT original)

    Yes, we feminists do know what we are talking about when we discuss how women are treated in this society, that would be because we are women, and in this society (and some of us do grit our teeth and read the content of your wank mags). You as a man, have no idea of what ‘our’ world is like. If you sincerely wanted to learn and understand, you would be encouraged to stay (and there are many fabulous male pro-feminists). Although, I have the feeling that this and other blog owners will soon tire of your dribble.

    Whilst I really shouldn’t feed-the-trolls, a handful of points from his last post:

    “I, on the other hand, can speak from experience”
    I assume that is the experience of being a sexist jerk?

    “…masturbate to attractive women…”
    Much of the perceived attractiveness is fashion. Currently the fashion is skinny women with big breasts, be they real or fake. Previously it has been skinny women, curvaceous women, etc., but overall young women. There is far more to any woman than just her outside appearance. That’s right, women actually have thoughts and feelings!

    “Porn in which a woman just lies there looking sullen will not appeal to very many men”
    Really? Why then the image of two mannequin-like (or dead) women in the August 2006 edition of FRONT (see http://home.freeuk.com/webbuk/monthly/front-aug2006-jakki-bailey.jpg). Or of women bound and gagged? That tells us EXACTLY what men want from women. And this is just mainstream, soft-core porn, not even the ‘kinky’ or ‘hard’ stuff.

    “Movement, noises, words. Hardly a sex toy.”
    Are you really trying to make the point that animation or vocalisation negates being a toy (sex or otherwise)? Go into a children’s toyshop, I’m sure that you will find toys that move, talk and make all sorts of various noises. Better file that one under bad analogies. (I won’t even bother addressing the lack of animation in magazines!!)

    “hearing and watching a woman moan in pleasure as she reaches orgasm is half the appeal”
    It certainly wouldn’t be hard to fake an orgasm for Copypasta! I am sure, that if he has actually managed to con some poor unsuspecting female into the bedroom, that she could easily fake it (if only to get him to stop the porn-educated performance).

    That’s right, porn-educated performance (by men) in the bedroom is misinformation and propaganda (aside from the anti-woman aspects). Speaking from 30 years of experience of male sexual encounters, I can say that men are now much, much worse at sex. That 30 years has coincided with a proliferation of pornography. Coincidence? I think not, especially as the performance is porn emulation.

    And finally, I have much more of a problem with soft-core pornography, primarily because it is ONLY women pictured in contorted poses for male titillation and gratification. Charliegrrl is spot on with “fragmented female body”. It is not the WHOLE woman that is wanted in porn, it is only the bits that are useful for male gratification.

    We anti-porn feminists have come to this position from many years of research and reading. You pro-porn users come to your position without much more than; “it gave me orgasm, I like orgasm, therefore porn is good”. As a starting point read: http://www.dianarussell.com/ before boring us again, or starting up the predictable MRA bullshit (which we know is coming…).

    So Copypasta, (and I’ll assume you won’t bother doing any research), go run with the Mellon Farmers, they are of your mindset.

    Stormcloud

  18. Anonymous said

    I think the point is that “you” choose what to watch on “your” television. In WH Smith at the minute your masturbatory material is on full display.

    The problem is that women are not just male masturbatory material and the constant portrayal of women on the front cover of newspapers and magazines as such needs to stop.

    The “pink” marketing of the playboy logo is a sinister attempt by the marketing bods at playboy to stifle opposition from future generations of women. They are trying to ensure that the playboy logo is normalised.

    This dual marketing of the playboy bunny as a girly pink thing and as sex brand is quite simply beyond belief.

  19. I’m clever but not intelligent hey…?

    Stormcloud: “porn-educated performance”
    This is a good way of describing most of my sexual experiences with men too. Porn harms men as well as women.

    When do you ever hear porn refer to the clitoris..?

  20. CopyPasta said

    Stormcloud:

    No, this is a troll – http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=347&Set=0

    I am merely someone with a different opinion. I, myself, find things much more interesting when it’s more than just people agreeing on things all the time. Not much of a discussion then.

    Either way, it’s a rather sad state for the world when anybody who thinks differently than you is automatically a troll.

  21. Anonymous said

    It refers to it all the time. As you would know, if you weren’t tailoring your ‘findings’ to fit your argument. Still, it’s important you don’t let trivialities like facts get in the way.

  22. Stormcloud said

    Charliegrrl:

    “When do you ever hear porn refer to the clitoris..?”
    Actually, I have seen the occasional bit of cunnilingus performed in (video) porn, but compared to quantity of fellatio – which seems to be in EVERY video, it is a rarity. If porn were truly educational (as some pro-porners claim) then the occurrence would be more balanced. I have had male partners complain about “having to do” cunnilingus (when requested). Having personally done both, I can assure you that cunnilingus is far easier than fellatio. So (you may quote me on this one) if a guy ever tells you that to get out of it, tell him to “go suck some cock and get back to me” (then he’ll truly know the meaning of jaw ache).

    “This is a good way of describing most of my sexual experiences with men too. Porn harms men as well as women.”
    Actually, I no longer give a flying fuck about men. My vagina (I’m equating my genitals with sentience just as the penis camp do) has said to me, “no sex is better is than bad sex” (and my vibrator, or rather series of them) has not failed the task in its stead. Nor do I ever have to fake orgasms any more (and yes, faked many I have, just to get the pounding jerk to finish). Too many men for too long have been watching far too much porn. And I have also witnessed a marked rise in the number of men with fetishes – foot fetishes, breast fetishes, talk dirty fetishes, piss on me (or me on you) fetishes, and now it seems we have glass bottom boat riders as well. That rise in fetishes I attribute to the proliferation of porn, which has to seek out more and more bizarre ways of ‘arousal’, with many fetishes becoming mainstreamed within ‘vanilla’ porn. I almost forgot the biggie in this list, the ‘threesome’ – which is always a request for two ‘girls’ and me (the male making the request). I can remember back to a time when this wasn’t standard fare. (My best mate who is 12 years younger than I, always ribs me whenever I’ve said “in the olden days…..”) *grin*

    Your previous posts on ‘good sex guides’ ala LMs shows the amount of mis-information and propaganda going on in pornland. (BTW, “…nuzzle her face into your quivering thighs like a baby cow searching for milk” was such bizarre imagery.)

    So, yes (perhaps), porn does harm men – but not nearly as much as it harms women. Possibly it is more a case of porn interfering with men’s abilities to become warm and caring human beings (and/or good lovers). Porn ‘hampers’ men, or porn ‘stifles’ men, or porn ‘inhibits’ men, are possibly more accurate.

    But getting back to the pornorium (my newly made-up word) that is WHS – they retail porn, they distribute porn, and now market porn-branding to young girls (“grooming” the next generation of girls to become willing participants of the sex-slave class). Me smells a conspiracy, and it stinks. But any of those high street stores or supermarkets thrust porn at us, and it is truly offensive. Thrust is accurate, take a look at the WHS kiosk/shop at Westminster tube, porn mags are the first thing one sees at the entrance. Inoffensive magazines are tucked away on other shelves to the sides. (will email you with the photo)

    Sorry for yet another wordy post ! “In the olden days….” 😉

  23. “So, yes (perhaps), porn does harm men…Possibly it is more a case of porn interfering with men’s abilities to become warm and caring human beings (and/or good lovers). Porn ‘hampers’ men, or porn ‘stifles’ men, or porn ‘inhibits’ men, are possibly more accurate”

    That’s what I meant to say…

    “When do you ever hear porn refer to the clitoris..?”

    I was mainly thinking of lads mags here, but yeah in the porn I’ve seen, the woman is regarded as a hole and the clit doesn’t come into it.

    Threesomes or ‘lesbians’ are the big thing in lads mags at the mo, once upon a time it used to be anal sex.

    I remember my first encounter with a lads mag- I think it was ZOO, a year ago, who said the following’ “Anal Sex, your girlfriend may not like it…but she’ll get used to it.’

    Threesomes and anal sex are seen by many lads as goals to achieve, akin to completing a 9-hole-bar crawl still standing.
    It’s pathetic. Women don’t have such a pre-concieved agenda with men.

    “Nor do I ever have to fake orgasms any more (and yes, faked many I have, just to get the pounding jerk to finish)”

    That’s funny, it reminds me of my former ‘straight’ life. Although I rarely faked orgasms, I suppose I bruised a few male egos on the way…

  24. CopyPasta said

    “It refers to it all the time. As you would know, if you weren’t tailoring your ‘findings’ to fit your argument. Still, it’s important you don’t let trivialities like facts get in the way.”

    Not now, Anonymous, we can’t be bothered with objective research or silly things like that. There are evil, brutish subhuman men to demonize. Men with penises no less! And testosterone! Those savages! How dare they let hormones and primal psychological cues affect them like that?!?

  25. Stormcloud said

    Charliegrrl:
    “That’s what I meant to say…”
    I was fairly certain that it was (at least what you were thinking), sometimes I just get a little touchy about the ‘shorthand’, and perhaps I was just brainstorming some better shorthand. The harm factor is no contest, and I’m certain that you agree (mainly because I know that if you are researching LMs each and every week, that IS dedication to ‘the cause’!).

    “Threesomes or ‘lesbians’ are the big thing in lads mags at the mo, once upon a time it used to be anal sex.”
    I’ve oft naval-gazed on why the threesomes, when most of ’em have enough trouble satisfying just one woman at a time. And ‘lesbians’, isn’t the whole point that they (lesbians) have no interest or desire in having sex with a man? And why the anal sex thing? Isn’t that a bit ‘close to home’ for all the homophobes, err, real men? Do men really like setting themselves up for failure? Or are they just complete morons?

    “Although I rarely faked orgasms, I suppose I bruised a few male egos on the way…”
    My share of male ego bruising does actually far outweigh the faked orgasms. 🙂
    Just to qualify my view of ‘the many’ – faking even one is too many.

  26. Stormcloud said

    Hey copypasta…

    That picture was just how I imagined you to be. I called you a troll because you exhibited the same troll-like behaviour that we have seen frequently in the feminist blogosphere. Disagreeing with absolutely every point of view of this (or any other) blog, identifies you either as a troll or stoopid (take your pick).

    I suppose you see yourself as some sort of devil’s advocate? Or perhaps that you may *just* convince us here to get our ‘silly little ideas of feminism out of our pretty little heads’? Or that porn is *really* good for us and we should just bend over and take it? Snowball’s chance of that!

    Congratulations on your trollmanship though, I didn’t immediately spot you as one.
    But if it walks like a troll, talks like a troll, it must be…(this is your cue to look in the mirror copytroll)

    Did you do your homework? Here’s some more:
    http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Erjensen/freelance/justprudes.htm

  27. CopyPasta said

    That picture was just how I imagined you to be.

    Why thank you.

    Disagreeing with absolutely every point of view

    Again, God forbid I disagree with you. There seems to be only one major “point” on this blog (porn = bad), so the chances of me disagreeing with everyone of them seems pretty reasonable.

    identifies you either as a troll or stoopid

    Yup, all people who disagree with you are stupid. You are a shining beacon of enlightenment and understanding.

    I suppose you see yourself as some sort of devil’s advocate?

    Seeing as how all men seem to be the devil, I guess so.

    Or that porn is *really* good for us and we should just bend over and take it?

    Who said porn was good for you? Someone ejaculating on his computer monitor doesn’t affect you, good or bad. And nobody’s asking you to like or accept porn. You just need to understand that there are people out there who think differently than you and, despite your best efforts, are free to think and write and publish whatever they want.

    To tell the truth, I’m bored and like debating. If I was a troll, however, your frothing, seething reactions would do nothing to deter me.

  28. Copypasta
    We feminists care about our fellow women and do not want them to be degraded by men who demand masturbation material. Have some respect for women, please.

    Yes, we do think porn is bad. So far I have not seen an argument from the pro-porners or the anti-censorship brigade, to convince me otherwise.

  29. Stormcloud said

    “You are a shining beacon of enlightenment and understanding.”

    Why cheers, copytroll !
    Oops, was I a bad feminist who took that out of context…. my bad. 😉

    “Someone ejaculating on his computer monitor doesn’t affect you, good or bad.”

    Not at that particular moment, and gosh, (drumroll) first time in history you’ve got a partial agreement from me!

    However, it is the continual use of pornography that desensitises men to women’s pain, and lowers rape inhibitions. Also it perpetuates too many myths about sexuality (eg women supposedly want it at all times and in anyway). On the subject of sexuality myths, it is primarily men affected, but indirectly women (by the crap-arsed performance of their sexual partners emulating what they see in porn).

    “You just need to understand that there are people out there who think differently than you and, despite your best efforts, are free to think and write and publish whatever they want.”

    Yes, I actually do understand that many people think differently to me. However, most on this blog feel the same about porn. Yes, you are free to think/feel/publish what you like – BUT TO A POINT. Generally, one is not allowed to publish material that is likely to incite racial hatred (in this country anyway). Feminists have also made the parallel that pornography is incitement to create sexual (“gender”) hatred.

    If you are only on this blog because you are bored and like debating.. why not go to a pro-pornies site and debate, I dunno, real vs fake breasts or something. At least then, there may be some agreement on some points, rather than on none.

  30. Stormcloud said

    “So far I have not seen an argument from the pro-porners or the anti-censorship brigade, to convince me otherwise.”

    Nor I. In fact, the more research I read, the more convinced I am.

  31. CopyPasta said

    We feminists care about our fellow women and do not want them to be degraded by men who demand masturbation material. Have some respect for women, please.

    Degraded? Clearly the women in pornography didn’t feel degraded, or they wouldn’t do it. They were willing to sell their dignity for a price, just as nearly everybody does at some point during their lives. They don’t represent all women, and neither do you.

    However, it is the continual use of pornography that desensitises men to women’s pain, and lowers rape inhibitions.

    Oh?

    “high pornography use is not necessarily indicative of high risk for sexual aggression” (Malamuth, Addison, & Koss, 2000, p. 79-81).

    “Within Japan itself, the dramatic increase in available pornography and sexually explicit materials is apparent to even a casual observer. This is concomitant with a general liberalization of restrictions on other sexual outlets as well. Also readily apparent from the information presented is that, over this period of change, sex crimes in every category, from rape to public indecency, sexual offenses from both ends of the criminal spectrum, significantly decreased in incidence.” (Diamond, Ph.D, 2002).

    “For example, in 1983, the Metropolitan Toronto Task Force on Violence Against Women commissioned Thelma McCormack to study pornography’s connection to sexual aggression. McCormack’s study indicated that pornography might be cathartic and, so, it might reduce the incidence of rape.” (McElroy, Wendy).

    Feminists have also made the parallel that pornography is incitement to create sexual (“gender”) hatred.

    Perhaps they have. And because militant feminists say it, it must be true, right?

    At least then, there may be some agreement on some points, rather than on none.

    Boring. No challange. Nearly impossible tasks are much more palatable for me.

  32. Stormcloud said

    Hey copytroll:

    blah blah blah blah blah

    That’s all I got from your last post, and sums up my reply.

    By fuck you’re a persistant little troll aren’t you?

    Oh, and to be a little more civilised:
    “Clearly the women in pornography didn’t feel degraded, or they wouldn’t do it”

    The answer to that, is anti-porn feminism-101.

  33. Laurelin said

    Wow, it seems I underestimated Copypasta’s intelligence- it seems he is capable of using both Google and copy and paste!

    What I never underestimated, however, was Copypasta’s lack of empathy and courage.

    Now Copyprat, why don’t you take your hand off your dick (it won;t fall off, I promise), and read up on all the reports that have shown there is a correlation between sexual violence and porn? If you want to, there are plenty of links on my blog, under ‘Feminist Links’.

    I am impressed by the quality of the material you have produced though. Pornography is ‘not neccessarily’ a cause of sexual aggression, ‘pornography might be cathartic’. I wish I had the confidence and evidence to say pornography might be misogynistic and dangerous, and that the sex industry is not neccessarily a wonderful insitution!

    Oh wait a minute, I do!

    Women in pornography are most likely to have been abused as children, are frequently coerced into more and more violent and degrading acts.

    Pornography is dangerous.

    You should be ashamed of yourself. But, lacking a conscience, how could I expect that of you?

  34. suzi said

    from suzi 3.11.06.Its good to see other women taking action against porn,charliegrrl.Lads mags are porn and should be on the top shelf,by stickering them and opening them up other people will realise they are porn.Most women hate porn,but feel they cant do anything about it.Our newsagent has hardcore
    porn all along the top shelf,the covers are degrading and the mags call women sluts and whores,everyone can see them.The shop is near a school,my seven year old daughter uses the shop,how can this be allowed?Anything i can do about it?Thanks.

  35. You can complain to your newsagent that you feel offended by the porn in th eshop. You could get people in the area to sign a petition and give it to the newsagent. You could demand that they put lads mags on the top shelf…

    Porn is everywhere. Many people don’t think that this is a problem. I feel that many women do feel degraded by porn mags in shops, but have accepted that they are everywhere. I know when I go into a newsagents and they have hard core porn mags I feel degraded- I think people avoid looking at them, unless they are misogynists wanting to buy them. But if people actually looked at what is being sold in their newsagents, they would be offended by the material.

  36. dave said

    I cant believe the fuss,you lot are making about lads mags and top shelf porn mags.I dont buy lads mags because they arent explicit enough,the girls dont take their knickers off,but i do buy softcore porn mags from the top shelf every month,have done for about 10 years.I buy approx 5-6 mags per month and enjoy them[men only,mayfair,just girls,mens world and club].These mags arent degrading to women,its just good looking girls with good figures,dressed in sexy lingerie,posing for the camera.Ive got hundreds of these mags,i never miss a new issue.If you suceeded in what your trying to do[get rid of porn mags]i think youre using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.Yes these mags are wank mags for men,but whats wrong with that,they are just harmless fun.

  37. Dave said

    Suzi,you are trying to use your daughter as an excuse against porn in newsagents.The porn is above your daughters eye level,i regularly buy porn from newsagents,i am 6ft tall and sometimes have difficulty getting mags from the back row of the top shelf.Yes many newsagents do stock large amounts of hardcore porn,but its always wrapped up and the covers are mostly obscured.Some of these mags do call women sluts and whores on their covers,i agree with you there.Porn is legal,men will always buy it.From a male perspective men buy softcore porn to see good looking girls in sexy underwear exposing themselves in closeup detail,but they buy hardcore porn to see girls performing sexual acts that most normal women in life wouldnt do.Porn is about male fantasy women will always be portrayed as submissive and up for anything because thats what men secretly desire.If you happen to find this attitude offensive or degrading,youve got a hell of a fight on your hands,men are very protective of their porn!

  38. Dave said

    the photo at the top of this website shows w.h smith have listened to your concerns and put modesty covers on their top shelf porn mags.The lads mags are not on the top shelf because they are not porn the girls inside lads mags keep their knickers on where as the girls in top shelf mags get their knickers off.i dont see the need for modesty covers on top shelf mags anyway,the covers of the mags are not offensive.the covers have girls with their knickers on and if they have no bra,their nipples are obscured.w.h smith have compromised,they have wrapped the top shelf mags in plastic,presumably to stop men browsing through the mags in the shop,but they have left them transparent so that men can get an idea of the content of the mags before buying them.i agree with you that the covers on lads mags do look like top shelf porn mags,but their content is nowhere near as explicit as the top shelf mags,where girls pose in such a way that everything is on show in close up detail to its male readership.

  39. Gosh Dave, you’ve got lots to say…

    Are you feeling threatened..?

    men…buy hardcore porn to see girls performing sexual acts that most normal women in life wouldnt do.Porn is about male fantasy women will always be portrayed as submissive and up for anything because thats what men secretly desire.If you happen to find this attitude offensive or degrading,youve got a hell of a fight on your hands,men are very protective of their porn!

    That’s interesting Dave.
    You say in hardcore porn, they show women doing sex acts most women wouldn’t do in real life- while you are masturbating, do you think how the women feel, who are partaking in the hardcore sex acts, that they most likely wouldn’t do unless being paid..? Do you understand this..? They are doing sex acts they wouldn’t normally do, just so you can masturbate in macho bliss.

    Why should women act as sexually submissive, just to make you feel superior. It’s pathetic.

    Lads mags aren’t as explicit as ‘adult’ porn mags. But they are still porn- women posing half-naked displaying themselves as an object for men to use, is porn.

    I do not want to see your ‘wank’ magazines when I walk into a shop. Why should women have to make concessions, just so men can have easy access to masturbation material..?

    I’m sick of men thinking the world should orientate around their penis.

  40. suzi said

    Dave,if i have to use my daughter as leverage to get the newsagent to remove the porn,i will its for her benefit as well as mine,my sister who has two children is also going to object to the porn and ask for it to be removed.You seem threatened that women are becoming increasingly determined to do something about porn,you are on the defensive because you know porn is wrong.You mention that youve been buying porn regularly for 10 years and boast that you have hundreds of mags,where do you keep them all?Do you hide them away from your girlfriend or wife,if you have one.Do you buy hardcore porn as well as all the softcore mags youve told us about and if so how much?The reason i am asking this is because your attitude to porn is so entreched,that i doubt you can see the offence porn causes to women.I know what porn is like the softcore mags which you have hundreds of do not just show girls in sexy underwear posing for the camera,the girls are shown in degrading,submissive positions,their vaginas are always shaved,the girls are photographed in close up detail with their legs apart and asked to open their “cunts”,so men like you can wank over them!The girls also have captions next to them stating that they loved to get fucked up the arse and finish off with a facefull of spunk!Finally even the covers of these “softcore mags” are offensive and degrading calling women sluts and whores,the underwear shown is miniscule and the girls again are photographed in a demeaning way.Dave even you must of noticed that porn has multiplied tenfold over the last few years and the content has become more and more extreme?

  41. Dave said

    I am being attacked from all sides here!
    I was just being honest about why men buy porn whether its softcore or hardcore.Theres no point in me debating this contentious subject unless i am honest with you!I will say that CHARLIEGRLL,has done a very good job of putting this website together,i have been looking at the other articles and they seem to be well researched,i realise that this website must of taken a huge amount of time to put together.You have made me think about porn from a womans point of view,i will admit ive never really thought about that before!!!!CHARLIEGRLL,has asked me some questions on my attitude to porn,i will think about these before replying.SUZI,youve asked me if i am in a relationship i am not at the moment,do i buy hardcore porn as well?Yes i do mags/dvds,do i hide the porn,yes i do.I hide the porn in lots of places around my 2 bedroom flat.The reason i hide it,is because previous girlfriends have hit the roof when theye found the porn,they usually throw it out,or demand i get rid of it!
    Ive resorted to hiding most of the porn under the bath,its safe there as only i know the bath panel is removable!
    Yes i do feel threatened not only have i gone through hell with previous girlfriends that have found my porn,its not getting any easier going into newsagents to buy the porn due to the fact that women now are more likely to show their disapproval when they see me buying the porn.

  42. suzi said

    DAVE,
    here are some questions for you.
    Pretend women became the dominant force of porn and it was men being degraded and sexually abused.
    Imagine yourself appearing in a top shelf porn mag you are told to do exactly what the girls in your porn mags do.You are dressed up in ridiculosly skimpy outfits and you have had to remove all your pubic hair.You are told to pose in degrading ways that you dont feel comfortable with spread your legs,look dumb and open up for your audience.Abusive and derogatory captions are then added saying you like being abused and taking it up the arse.
    YOU WOULDNT DO IT ,WOULD YOU.
    Your next job is hardcore.You are shown graphically being used and abused,you have no control over whats happening to you,your abusers laugh when you squeal in pain,this merely encourages them to do you harder,they boast amongst each other that at best you wont be able to sit down for a fortnight or if they tear you a new arsehole,itll be months.
    YOU WOULDNT DO IT WOULD YOU.
    Now back to reality again!!
    All those porn mags you have bought over the years,along with the countless amount of hardcore dvds which youve probably got,show girls having degrading sexual acts enforced on them.I say enforced because if the girls dont do it,they dont get paid.
    You wouldnt want to be treated this way,so why do you “enjoy” seeing girls in porn being dehumanised and degraded when youre masturbating?
    I would be interested to know how much of your hard earned cash you have spent on pornography over the years,BE HONEST !

  43. Dave said

    Charliegrrl and Suzi,
    I am still thinking about the questions you have asked me,i have read and taken note of all the points you have raised,i hope i dont get more women off this site asking more questions,i am having enough trouble trying to answer your questions!!!You have suceeded in getting me to think about porn from a womans point of view,thats a first for me!!!

  44. Hello Dave…or should I say Suzi..?

    Both of the same IP address.

    I’m not sure what game you are trying to play, but I aint playing.

    Fuck off

  45. Dave said

    okay,charliegrrl,i will come clean,i am pro porn,i didnt think you would engage in dialogue with such a blatant pro porner,so i used suzi to get the dialogue going,i thought you would of spotted the matching IP address earlier.you do actually put forward some very good points,i was impressed,your website is also very good,you are obviously passionate about your cause.IMPORTANT DO ORDER A BROCHURE FROM THAT COMPANIES ADDRESS.i am pro porn but i am not pro rape,the brochure i saw had approx 4 rape dvds amongst its other offerings.Even pro porners have morals!!

  46. Dave said

    To Charliegrll,
    I apologise for deceiving you,that was out of order,but i didnt think you would engage in dialogue with me after the “grilling”you gave copypasta.Youve probably had lots of people disagreeing with your stance on porn,as i have said i am pro porn,but i do agree with a number of points you are making.Porn is far from perfect,there are changes that can be made to it and i would support those changes,i am not the stereotypical porn consumer who is blind or dosent listen to valid and CORRECT points made by informed groups like yours!
    The porn industry is huge as you well know,i agree with you that certain aspects of it need to be changed,it is everywhere and highly visible,i dont agree with that for a start!The reason the porn industry is so huge,is quite simply because a lot of people consume it,therefore it would be in your interest and your groups objectives to engage in dialogue
    with some of these people who do agree with some of your concerns.I also agree with you that playboy merchandise should not be sold to young girls,it is a blatent aggressive attempt to normalise porn to young girls.I agree with you on other issues also,so if youre not to pissed off at me,let me know,if i really have upset you,tell me to fuck off and i wont bother you again!!!!!!!!!

  47. Very cunning Dave.
    We gave Copypasta a hard time because he constantly kept nit-picking at people’s arguments. I don’t mind if people express an altnernative view, because I do like to engage in dialogue.

    I’m glad this blog has made you think about porn from a different view. I would be interested to know what you feel should change about the porn industry?

  48. Dave said

    To Charliegrrl.
    From a womens point of view i can see why porn is degrading and offensive.Every newsagent you walk into,you are confronted with topshelf porn mags,both soft and hardcore,showing girls in demeaning and graphic poses,wearing virtually nothing and proclaiming that they like men to perform extreme and degrading sexual acts on them.
    Then theres also the lads mags/daily sport.
    I will admit porn has got more extreme and its targeting young boys with lads mags.
    my suggestions are,
    1,yes i agree with you,move lads mags to the top shelf.
    2,papers like the daily sport should be laid face down or go on the top shelf.
    3,try to get the hardcore porn mags out of newsagents,they are as extreme as the hardcore porn dvds which can only be sold in licensed sex shops?its the same porn!
    porn is normalising itself in society,if hardcore porn becomes the norm in newsagents,you have no hope of tackling the soft porn!!
    you could do a campaign highliting the situation that hardcore porn mags should have the same restrictions as hardcore dvds!!!!

  49. Dave said

    To charliegrll,
    Porn may be its own worst enemy as its getting so extreme.
    You cant actually buy “normal” vaginal sex dvds any more,they went years ago.The porn now is designed to shock!walk into any sex shop and you will see racks full of girls being subjected to anal,double anal,gangbanging,rough sex such as choking,slapping and “restraint”,arse to mouth and bukkake.
    Fisting is starting to arrive now,i have no idea where this will all end!!!!I would like to think porn couldnt get any worse than this,but i know it will.

  50. Dave said

    To Charliegrll,
    If i was you,i would broaden your campaign,i would of thought most women especially those with children would support the removal of porn from newsagents near their childrens schools?
    I would definitely highlight the problem of newsagents stocking hardcore porn mags?
    a lot of women have no idea of the content of porn mags,i think you would have to show them on your website,both softcore and hardcore images.
    if you,your supporters,your friends etc,have children,then they could start speaking to other mothers at their childrens school?
    i agree you shouldnt have to put up with porn everywhere!!
    i am sure a lot of other women would to!
    talking to you has given me a guilty conscience about the porn ive got,10 years worth,thats a lot of money and lot of porn!

  51. Dave said

    To Charliegrrl,
    I also would like to see the more extreme acts in hardcore porn removed they are just abusive,theres no need for it,its a turn off!If porn carries on like this,even some of its consumers will turn against it!!

  52. dave said

    I just thought i would let you know,ive decided to stop buying porn!I thought i was pro porn because i bought porn,but ive had concerns about it.Ive listened to what youve said,looked at your website and others[Diana Russel] and thought of the aggro from past girlfriends.Ive even looked at the porn ive got without jerking off from a womans point of view,it is degrading,offensive and dehumanising to women.
    I am sure i can easily stop buying porn,but dealing with the porn ive already got,will be much harder!!!

  53. Well at least your making an effort

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